‘Fox Information Sunday’ on November 21, 2021

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BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  I am Mr. Bret Baier, in for Wallace. 

A unanimous jury leaves a rustic divided over gun rights and social 



COURT CLERK:  Not responsible. 

BAIER (voice-over): Kyle Rittenhouse acquitted and strolling free after an 

intense trial surrounding the lethal unrest final summer season in Kenosha. 

PROTESTERS:  We wish justice! 

BAIER:  We’ll check out the response throughout the nation as a rustic 

awaits a verdict in yet one more extremely charged case. 

And — 

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:  The Construct Again Higher invoice 

is handed. 

BAIER:  Home Democrats cheer. A win for the president’s huge social 

applications deliberate, however the plan faces an uphill battle within the Senate the place 

it is anticipated to get pared again by moderates. 

We’ll ask Brian Deese, the highest White Home financial advisor, in regards to the 

technique and worries over inflation. It is a “FOX Information Sunday” unique.

Then, Republican governors tout the large win in Virginia because the roadmap for 


GOV. DOUG DUCEY (R), ARIZONA:  We have additionally proven that we are able to win in any 

state within the nation. 

BAIER:  We’ll discuss to former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie about what 

he sees as a path ahead for his occasion. 

Plus, federal well being officers approve COVID boosters for all adults. We’ll 

ask our Sunday panel whether or not a change to what it means to be absolutely 

vaccinated is coming subsequent. 

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.


BAIER:  And howdy once more from “FOX Information Sunday.” 

People from coast-to-coast are reacting this weekend to the acquittal of 

Kyle Rittenhouse, in a case that has served as a political litmus check for 

an already polarized nation. Many on the suitable are cheering the jury’s not 

responsible verdict in a win for citizen self-defense and Second Modification 

rights, whereas many on the left are saying it illustrates bias and racial 

discrimination within the nation’s justice system. 

We start with FOX Staff protection. David Spunt is touring with the 

president in Wilmington, Delaware. However, first, to Alexis McAdams on the 

floor to Kenosha, Wisconsin — Alexis,. 

ALEXIS MCADAMS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Bret, that is proper. A really 

emotional morning, two weeks right here in Kenosha, Wisconsin, within the nation them 

at trial that divided so many individuals throughout America now over. Kyle 

Rittenhouse strolling free however not everyone thinks this was self-defense. 


COURT CLERK:  We, the jury, discover the defendant Kyle H. Rittenhouse not 


MCADAMS (voice-over): It was a verdict Wendy Rittenhouse had been ready 

to listen to for 15 months. 


and palms are sweaty. The feelings operating by means of me. 

MCADAMS:  Her son collapsing within the courtroom after discovering out he’s now 

free. Rittenhouse was on trial for capturing three white males, killing two 

in the course of the unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, following the police capturing of 

Jacob Blake. 

Outdoors of the courthouse, there was an outpouring of feelings from each 


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You may exit within the streets and simply please shoot 

them up. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I imagine in self-defense. 

PROTESTERS:  The individuals united — 

MCADAMS: Protesters throughout the nation took to the streets calling for 

justice reform appeared in Portland, Oregon, police declaring a riot and 

others merging in Chicago and New York Metropolis had been a number of had been arrested. 

As these cries for justice reform develop, New York’s Mayor-elect Eric Adams 

calling for swift and righteous motion to stop extra violence. 



CROWD:  No extra vigilante justice.

JACKSON:  No extra vigilante justice.

MCADAMS:  Jesse Jackson, the longtime civil rights chief, says this 

verdict throws doubt into the security of people that protests and help of 

Black People and is asking for a federal trial for Rittenhouse. 


MCADAMS:  Now, it has been very quiet on the bottom right here in Kenosha following 

the decision, however there’s a rally planter on the courthouse at 3:00 at the moment 

calling for true justice on this case. Closing arguments and one other 

emotionally charged check of the American justice system start on Monday in 

Georgia for the closing case on the Ahmaud Arbery trial — Bret. 

BAIER:  Alexis McAdams reporting from Kenosha — Alexis, thanks. 

Now, let’s flip to David Spunt with the president in Wilmington, Delaware –

– David. 

DAVID SPUNT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Hello, Bret. The decision in Kenosha 

heard loudly all through the facility corridors of Washington, prompting 

contrasting statements from the president and his vice chairman. 


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I stand by what the jury has 

concluded. The jury system works and we’re to abide by it. 

SPUNT (voice-over): Hours later, a annoyed vice chairman. 


lot extra work to do. 

SPUNT:  The Rittenhouse verdict seizing the highlight from Democrats’ massive 

victory in Washington. 

PELOSI:  On this vote, the yeas are 220, the nays are 213. The Construct Again 

Higher plan is handed. 

SPUNT:  Cheers on the Home ground from Democrats after President Biden’s 

almost $2 trillion social spending invoice handed by skinny margin. The vote 

got here simply hours after Republican chief Kevin McCarthy spent eight hours 

and 32 minutes railing in opposition to the plan, the longest speech and plan 

historical past. 

REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY (R-CA):  And each web page of this new Washington spending 

reveals simply how irresponsible and out of contact the Democrats are. 

SPUNT:  The invoice marks the seventh giant spending bundle for the reason that 

starting of the pandemic. Now the main focus turns to the Senate the place the 

margins are even thinner and all eyes are two reasonable Democrats, Arizona’s 

Kyrsten Sinema and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin. 

BIDEN:  It should take some time to get by means of the Senate. I believe it 

will in all probability be after Thanksgiving. 


SPUNT:  The president who celebrated his 79th birthday yesterday right here in 

Wilmington, Delaware, will head to Nantucket for the Thanksgiving vacation 

to have a good time it with household and pals. However he has an essential determination 

to make, Bret, whether or not to exchange Jerome Powell, the Federal Reserve chair, 

as inflation continues to threaten this presidency — Bret. 

BAIER:  David Spunt, reporting from Wilmington — David, thanks. 

Becoming a member of us now, director of the Nationwide Financial Council, Brian Deese.

Brian, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”. 


me, Bret. 

You realize, inflation is at a 31-year excessive. So, how are you going to say that this 

Construct Again Higher invoice which, as you simply noticed handed the Home on Friday is 

not going to harm in that approach? Is — how are you going to say it will decrease 

inflation whenever you’re pumping actually trillions of {dollars} into the financial system 

in simply current months? 

BAIER:  Effectively, there isn’t any query inflation is excessive, and it is affecting 

American shoppers, and it is affecting their outlook. However that is truly 

why we have to transfer on this Construct Again Higher invoice proper now. 

Consultants throughout the board have checked out it and have concluded that it will not 

improve inflation as a result of it is paid for. Whenever you pay for investments, you 

do not truly add mixture demand to the financial system. We noticed this week, two 

giant score corporations, monetary score corporations Mitch — Fitch and Moody’s 

truly underscore that this invoice will not improve inflation. However what it 

will do is it should decrease prices. 

Bret, this invoice goes to be the most important cost-cutting invoice for working 

class in American households in a long time on this nation, and it will go 

at prices which can be persistent issues for the American individuals of their 

lives. It should decrease the price of pharmaceuticals put a cap on out of 

pocket prices for medicine for seniors and permit Medicare to lastly negotiate 

prescription drug costs on behalf of American shoppers. It should decrease the 

price of healthcare, decrease the price of housing as nicely, and it’ll get 

tens of millions of People to work by truly addressing the prices that preserve 

them from going to the office. 

We now have tens of millions of fogeys, ladies particularly, who cannot work as a result of 

they can not afford the price of childcare or to look after an aged guardian. 

This invoice will decrease these prices get individuals working, and since it is paid 

for and it will not improve the deficit. We’re truly going to try this, in 

a approach that retains the robust momentum within the financial system going. 

BAIER:  Yeah, and you recognize that there are critics who actually have concern 

with the paid-for a part of it. 

We have heard former costs Secretary Larry Summers, who additionally held the job 

you now maintain with the Obama administration, expressed actual issues about 

Democrats not taking inflation critically and solely exacerbating the issue 

with these payments. 

However now you could have Steve Rattner, senior advisor within the Obama administration, 

penning this: Construct Again Higher could be deemed paid for provided that one embraces 

price range gimmicks like assuming that a number of the most essential initiatives 

shall be allowed to run out in just some years. The consequence: a bundle that 

front-loads spending whereas tax revenues arrive solely over a decade. The 

Committee for a Accountable Federal Funds estimates that the plan would 

probably add $800 billion or extra to the deficit over the following 5 years, 

exacerbating inflationary pressures. 

So, you are saying Rattner and Summers are each unsuitable? 

DEESE:  Effectively, respectfully, Larry Summers, who has been a critic of a 

variety of the insurance policies of this administration, has truly mentioned that the 

Construct Again Higher invoice will not improve inflation and makes a lot wanted 

investments within the financial system. 

And it has been some time in Washington since we have truly performed the onerous 

work of paying for a invoice over 10 years, however that is precisely what this invoice 

does. It has long run investments in issues like childcare, decreasing the 

price of childcare, offering preschool throughout the nation, however then it pays 

for these by doing long run reforms to our tax system. 

For instance, we might put a 15 % minimal tax for the biggest 

companies to keep away from what occurs at the moment, which is that enormous, very 

worthwhile firms find yourself paying zero in taxes. That is a everlasting reform 

to the tax system that may generate extra income for the long run. 

And so whenever you have a look at the influence of these insurance policies within the mixture, it 

would scale back the deficit by about $112 billion this decade, truly over 

the long run, which is the place, should you actually care in regards to the fiscal 

soundness of this nation, you ought to be taking a look at the long run. Within the 

second decade, this invoice would scale back the deficit by greater than $2 trillion.

So, this invoice, in contrast to what has occurred in Washington over final a number of 

years, is definitely doing the onerous work of paying for proposals over the 

long run. It’s fiscally accountable, and it’ll minimize prices for households 

virtually instantly. 

BAIER:  Tackle that — 


DEESE:  Effectively, what, what, what — 

BAIER:  — sorry for the delay — the price range gimmicks right here that he says the 

sunsetting of a few of these insurance policies make the numbers — the paid-for half 

— work. 

DEESE:  These aren’t gimmicks. This can be a accountable long run funding. 

Eighty-five % of the provisions on this invoice are put in place for the 

long run and in the place there are locations the place applications will not be prolonged 

completely, a future Congress may have the selection of whether or not to increase 

these will not be. 

The president has been very clear. He believes that something that we do 

going ahead, something — something a future Congress would possibly do or not do 

ought to be absolutely paid for. Nevertheless it’s a — it’s a fully new normal in 

Washington to say is that this invoice paid for based mostly on what a future Congress could 

or could not do. 

For those who have a look at this invoice — 

BAIER:  Proper.

DEESE:  — long run investments to drive the productive capability of our 

financial system absolutely paid-for and admittedly greater than absolutely paid-for over the lengthy 

time period. The identical individuals which can be involved about our professed to be 

involved about our fiscal future ought to actually be centered on the lengthy 

time period. This invoice goes to make numerous constructive distinction there. 

BAIER:  You realize Republicans, Brian argued in 2017. Their tax minimize invoice 

can be paid for because of financial development and on the time Democrats 

pointed to official evaluation, which mentioned in any other case. Effectively, now you could have 

Republicans, making that very same argument that Democrats made again in 2017. 

So, why is your argument now that the invoice’s paid for legitimate if it is the 

similar argument the GOP was making?

DEESE:  We’re not counting on the prospect of future financial development. We’re 

counting on official estimates which have seemed on the provisions on this 


The provisions on this invoice will generate tax income, will cut back 

suspending throughout time and people assets shall be invested in issues that 

will decrease prices for households, like decrease prescription drug prices and decrease 

childcare prices and decrease elder care prices. That is what we’re taking a look at. 

And we’re counting on the specialists which have studied the provisions on this 

invoice, probably the most carefully the Congressional Funds Workplace, in addition to the 

Treasury Division. 

One of many parts that. Is that concern is the difficulty of tax enforcement, 

ensuring that the IRS has the instruments to truly have People pay the 

taxes that they already owe. The estimates there are validated by each 

former IRS commissioner, together with people who served below Republicans and 

Democrats, former treasury secretaries, together with Treasury Secretary Hank 

Paulson, who served below Republican administrations. 

These specialists who’ve a long time of expertise taking a look at how the tax system 

work, have seemed on the estimates behind this invoice and mentioned, if something, 

they’re too conservative. If something, we’re prone to elevate extra income 

throughout time.

BAIER:  So — Brian, you count on this invoice, although, to shrink as moderates 

within the Senate get their fingers on it and have issues about it, proper? 

DEESE:  This can be a course of and course of that we have been going by means of right here 

for months, working carefully to and listening to members of each the Home 

and the Senate. The milestone within the Home was an enormous and essential step in 

getting this invoice performed, and now we transfer to the Senate. And we’ll work 

with each member of the Senate on this invoice.

However I believe that due to that work over a number of months, we actually do now 

have understanding of the place the consensus lies. It lies in decreasing 

prices for American households. It lies in getting extra individuals again to work by 

truly addressing the obstacles which can be conserving individuals from doing so, 

like childcare, and it lies in making some severe reforms that may 

restore some equity to the tax code. 

We now have broad settlement on these provisions, and so, I anticipated as we transfer 

to the Senate may have numerous momentum, we’ll will work because the 

congressional course of does, we’ll work to get a invoice by means of the Senate. We 

want 50 votes, after which it’s going to return to the Home and to the president’s 


BAIER:  And we’ll see the timing on that. 

The newest FOX Information ballot on the financial system, President Biden has 36 % 

approval in the case of the financial system, and you may see, from Might, that is a 

important drop. Why do you assume that’s?

DEESE:  I believe the American individuals perceive that we’ve made progress, 

however there’s numerous work to do. And I believe that they perceive that 

they’re much less involved in what, frankly, we’re saying right here on this 

program or saying would possibly occur, they usually’re extra centered on seeing concrete 

motion and supply of their lives. 

And so that’s one thing that we now are centered on with the whole lot that we 

do. We have not talked about it, however we simply signed into regulation and 

infrastructure invoice that may go instantly at fixing a number of the issues 

which can be — that we face on this financial system at the moment, like the provision chain 

bottlenecks at our ports and thru our methods of commerce. That is a invoice 

that individuals will begin to see the influence of. 

And once they see us delivering in locations which can be instantly related to 

their lives then I believe that they are going to perceive what we’re doing right here. 

However we perceive that the onus right here is on delivering, and that is why we 

are centered on getting these payments performed and implementing them constant 

with their goal. 

BAIER:  A pair extra questions in a short time. 

Has the president decided on the nomination for Federal Reserve 


DEESE:  Effectively, the president has signaled that he intends to make 

announcement on that within the coming days. And so, I’ll go away the 

substance and timing of that one to him. 

BAIER:  Effectively, the 2 — it mainly comes right down to the present Fed Chair 

Jerome Powell or Fed Governor Lael Brainard. Some Democratic senators have 

been pushing for Brainard, citing issues about local weather change. They need 

a Fed that is extra assertive on local weather change. 

Does the president share that view?

DEESE:  Effectively, the president’s been spending numerous time on this concern. 

It is clearly an essential determination for the — for the nation. There are 

a number of positions open on the Federal Reserve, which the president have an 

alternative to appoint certified candidates for and is taking a look at all of 

these points. 

And once more, I will go away that last determination announcement to the president. 

BAIER:  What may very well be tomorrow? 

DEESE:  I’ll go away that timing to him. 

BAIER:  Okay, all proper. Obtained you. 

Final query, the president simply held this digital summit with Chinese language 

President Xi Jinping, a protracted discuss with the Chinese language chief. Is the Biden 

administration going to maintain the Trump period China tariffs in place? 

There are fears for you — out of your critics that they are going to sort of — the 

physique administration will roll over with guarantees about local weather change 

coverage shifts by the Chinese language. Will the tariff keep in place?

DEESE:  Effectively, the president has been very clear that he’ll arise 

for American pursuits. He has a really direct relationship with President Xi 

and that was on proof within the important dialog that they’d that 

you simply referenced. And with respect to commerce, we’re at the moment 

interacting with the Chinese language across the so referred to as Part One commerce settlement 

that due to the way in which that it was negotiated by the prior administration 

didn’t adequately shield quite a lot of American financial pursuits, and are 

— the Chinese language haven’t absolutely lived as much as the guarantees in that settlement.

So, we’re participating with our Chinese language counterparts, however with a transparent 

understanding that we’re representing American pursuits, and we’re going 

to take the actions that we have to shield these American pursuits. However 

that cuts throughout not solely tariff coverage but additionally procurement commitments 

that the Chinese language authorities has made and the broader challenges that the 

Chinese language face to our financial system, whether or not it is mental property theft or 

strategic investments in areas that might have an effect on our nationwide safety. 

So we’re taking a broad view of that, and definitely with a transparent focus that 

the American employee, the American client, the American financial system because the 

president’s precedence, and he’ll arise for our rules and our 

financial system as nicely. 

BAIER:  Brian Deese, thanks for the time. 

DEESE:  Thanks, Bret. Thanks for having me. 

BAIER:  Up subsequent, we’ll usher in our Sunday group to debate what President 

Biden’s now stalled vaccine mandate might imply for enterprise. 



JEN PSAKI, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  Our message to companies proper 

now’s to maneuver ahead with measures that may make their office safer 

and shield them — their workforces from COVID-19. 


BAIER:  White Home Press Secretary Jen Psaki this week urging companies 

to proceed with plans to vaccinate or check employees even whereas OSHA has put 

the controversial rule on maintain after an order by a federal appeals courtroom. 

It is time now for our Sunday group. Jason Riley of “The Wall Road 

Journal,” Susan Web page of “USA At the moment,” and former Democratic Congressman 

Harold Ford, Jr. 


Susan, first to you, this OSHA sort of pause is a little bit of a pace bump for 

the Biden administration plans for these obligatory vaccinations. 

SUSAN PAGE, USA TODAY: Sure, that is proper. I imply, it is — the courtroom mentioned 

that OSHA had overreached. OSHA says it should attraction, however it should take time. 

And, you recognize, this isn’t solely a authorized drawback for the administration, however 

itself political one. The failure to manage the pandemic is considered one of a 

couple of things that’s knocking down President Biden’s approval rankings 

to new lows and that’s enormous concern to Democrats as a result of we all know that in 

midterm elections, one of many massive metrics that determines what occurs is a 

president’s approval rankings, Bret. 

BAIER:  Talking of polls, we have a brand new FOX ballot out, Jason, that means 

that requiring companies with 100 extra workers for vaccine or testing is 

nonetheless favorable. 49 % and solely 47 % of execs however it’s dropping 

her pulse. For those who have a look at the coronavirus which was considered one of President Biden 

strengths, he’s underwater by one level and an enormous drop from there. 

JASON RILEY, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:  And it’s falling amongst Republicans 

and Democrats. Much less confidence in these vaccines due to these 

breakthrough circumstances. It in these mandates will not be serving to the president’s 

job approval numbers. I imply, it is onerous to know what’s weighing most on 

the president’s approval score. Whether or not it is inflation or case on the 

border or what have you ever, however it’s a must to imagine these mandates will not be 

serving to issues. They’re very politically polarizing and employers are 

frightened about them. 

We have already got a labor scarcity on this nation. There are formal jobs 

out there than there are individuals in search of work. These mandates might 

lead to individuals not becoming a member of the workforce or quitting the workforce or could 

be quitting a job at an enormous firm and going to a smaller firm once they 

do not be vaccinate. 

We now have to weigh the prices and advantages of those mandates. And I do not 

assume that the administration is doing job of that. 

BAIER:  Harold, to Jason’s level, I imply, there may be issues with truck 

drivers and the provision chain points that we’re already going through. There’s 

issues with safety with these police, hearth, and completely different authorities 

across the nation coping with these mandates. 

HAROLD FORD, JR., FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR:  First off, glad Sunday. 

I believe Jason has framed it proper. I might come out of little bit 

otherwise although. I believe — when you consider COVID and even the flu 

photographs, there may be information exhibiting that the best predictor of whether or not an 

American is vaccinated in opposition to each is his or her political occasion. 

I might remind all of us that COVID or the flu will not be a member of a 

political occasion or cultural group. It is not black. It is not white. 

It is not a part of an ethnic or spiritual group. It does not discriminate. 

I believe the administration should deal with this maybe somewhat bit 

otherwise or deal with it otherwise. This in my thoughts, getting vaccinated 

is a nationwide safety concern. When you consider what we did final yr, 

when to close on the financial system, we shut down faculties. We stifled innovation 

with exception of pharmaceutical develop which was a herculean funding 

and because of President Trump and President Biden on that. 

We now have to maybe outline this otherwise, and I believe, America, if we 

don’t need our faculties to shut once more and for courses to be out, which 

impairs our children’ capability to achieve success within the subsequent grade, and for that 

matter within the workforce, being vaccinated might be the perfect factor to do. 

Moreover, there was no well being outbreak from being vaccinated. If 

you might be vaccinated and also you get the — you get the virus, it is probably you’ve got 

been round somebody’s unvaccinated. 

I can perceive if being vaccinated was killing individuals or the vaccine was 

making individuals very, very sick, giant numbers of individuals. That is not the 

case. I might deal with this as a nationwide safety concern to maintain America 

robust, to maintain our faculties open, and to maintain our financial system vibrant. 

BAIER:  Susan, the emergency authorization has been given to Moderna and 

Pfizer booster photographs for all adults. The query is, will individuals get them? 

There is a query about what absolutely vaccinated will imply and whether or not the 

definition will change over time. 

PAGE:  Yeah. We heard Dr. Fauci this week saying perhaps must look 

at three photographs as being the usual for being absolutely vaccinated. However the 

actual problem in the intervening time for the nation will not be getting individuals to get a 

third shot. It is for individuals to get a primary shot, amongst these People who 

have declined or refused to be vaccinated up to now. That’s the reason that 

COVID continues to be such a severe well being drawback. 

You have a look at hospitalization charges, the people who find themselves now hospitalized, who 

are getting very sick from COVID are overwhelmingly individuals who’ve not 

gotten the primary shot. So, that has been the main focus of the administration’s 

efforts. However, sure, I believe it we’re shifting towards the purpose the place three 

photographs would be the normal, not two. 

BAIER:  You realize, Jason, some individuals neglect that there is a testing possibility 

should you’re in opposition to these vaccines. You might go right into a testing regime. You’d 

need to get examined quite a bit, however that is a risk. 

RILEY:  And it ought to be an possibility, Bret. I imply, numerous us wish to 

see extra People getting vaccinated, however the way you go about doing that 

issues. I believe this heavy-handed method will not be serving to the 

administration. It is not serving to the nation. There are individuals who need to 

go the testing route. 

To Harold’s level, we all know that getting COVID will not be a demise sentence for 

most individuals. We must always not faux that it’s. And so, you recognize, one thing 

like 80 % of adults on this nation have already had not less than one 

shot. This isn’t an emergency scenario we’re in and the courtroom rebuke, 

you name it a pace bump. It is extra of a roadblock, as I see it, Bret.

The courtroom was fairly thorough in capturing this down because the policing powers 

for particular person conduct with regard to public well being and security are a state 

concern, not a federal concern. So, there may be each a authorized and political concern 

right here from this administration. 

BAIER:  All proper, panel. We now have to take a break right here, see you in a bit. 

Up subsequent, my sit down with former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie on how 

he says he’d save the Republican Get together.


BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Developing, former New Jersey Governor Chris 

Christie urges a reform of the Republican Get together. 



two occasion system with a Republican Get together that may win.


BAIER: Our one on one unique with Christine on how the GOP strikes 

ahead, subsequent. 


BAIER: Republicans say they really feel momentum heading into the midterms, 

pointing to Glenn Youngkin’s victory within the Virginia governor’s race as a 

mannequin for learn how to win the bottom and independence. 

Becoming a member of me now to debate, former governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie, 

writer of the brand new guide, “Republican Rescue: Saving the Get together from Reality 

Deniers, Conspiracy Theorists and the Harmful Insurance policies of Joe Biden.”

Governor, welcome again to FOX NEWS SUNDAY. 


having me. 

BAIER: You realize, I have been speaking to quite a lot of Republicans as they’ve 

watched your varied appearances speaking in regards to the guide, they usually mentioned one 

query stored on developing, and it — they mentioned, what’s his play? What’s 

his political play? 

So, let me ask you the way they requested it, what’s your play? 

CHRISTIE: My play is to attempt to verify we get again to successful once more as a 

occasion. You realize, between 2018 and 2020, Bret we misplaced the Home, the Senate 

and the White Home. The one different time within the Republican Get together’s historical past 

that that is occurred was 1930 to 1932 with Herbert Hoover. And so we then 

had the Democrats occupying the White Home for 28 of the following 36 years. 

And it simply appears to me that our nation would not be capable to survive this 

Democratic Get together occupying the White Home for 28 of the following 36 years. 

So I need us to cease wanting backwards, begin wanting ahead, laying out a 

distinction to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, laying out what’s unsuitable with what 

they’re doing and what’s proper with our prescription. We do this, we’re 

going to win the Home and Senate again in ’22 and plenty of governorships and 

be in nice place for 2024. 

If we do not, we will turn out to be a grievance occasion —

BAIER: So are you contemplating? Are you contemplating operating for president?

CHRISTIE: Positive, I might take into account it, Bret, and — and can take into account it, however 

I will not make any determination until the tip of 2022. And this yr what I am 

specializing in is, I am co-chairing the victory fundraising for the Republican 

governors. And I am co-chairing the hassle to fund Republican redistricting 

of congressional districts with former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. We 

need to win first in 2022 earlier than we ever take into account 2024. 

However much more importantly, Bret, we have got to cease wanting backwards, cease 

the grievance politics and all the remainder and begin shifting ahead at giving 

individuals a constructive outlook for what we need to do in comparison with the catastrophe 

that’s the Biden administration.

BAIER: Are you able to see a situation the place former President Trump doesn’t run 

once more? And what’s that? 

CHRISTIE: Hear, I believe that is simply such an intensely private determination 

that in fact I might see. It depends upon what occurs in Donald Trump’s 

life over the following couple of years and what he decides he needs to do. However 

I might see him operating too.

In the long run, Bret, I do not assume that ought to matter for anybody else who’s 

contemplating operating. I imply, ultimately, should you imagine you are the perfect 

individual to be president of the USA and have the perfect probability to be 

capable of win and have the help of your loved ones, nicely, then that is all that 

actually issues and may matter. And that is what ought to matter for Donald 

Trump as nicely.

BAIER: Effectively, realizing the previous president such as you do, do you assume he’ll 

ever concede the lack of 2020? 

CHRISTIE: Effectively, I hope he’ll, Bret. I do not know that he’ll and he 

actually hasn’t now in a yr. However I hope that what he’ll do is transfer on 

and simply cease speaking about it. Even when he does not formally concede, we 

must cease speaking about the truth that the election was stolen, when, as 

I lay out within the guide, there’s actually no strong proof that it was. 

And speaking about this now’s defeating for the Republican Get together. You realize, 

voters all the time need the following election, Bret, to be in regards to the future, not 

in regards to the previous. And there is loads of discuss proper now with the terrible 

failures of Joe Biden in crime, in training, in taxes and spending, 

Afghanistan, different overseas coverage points like China, and we ought to be 

speaking about these issues and laying out our prescriptions, and that is 

what I do within the guide, and in addition discuss in regards to the conspiracy theories and why 

they’re so harmful and have been traditionally harmful for our 


However, we have been capable of combat again earlier than, like with Invoice Buckley and 

Ronald Reagan in opposition to the John Birch Society within the ’60s, and we are able to combat 

again once more now to make ourselves a constructive, forward-looking occasion. 

BAIER: So, I hear on a regular basis individuals say, I cherished President Trump’s 

insurance policies however I did not love his persona or the feedback or the insults. 

May — can these issues be separated with him as a political determine?

CHRISTIE: Completely. Completely. Look, the insurance policies have been excellent, 

reducing taxes, reducing regulation, conservative judges and justices to our 

courts, power abroad, you recognize, new commerce insurance policies, All these issues 

have added to America in a really constructive approach. And I believe that that is 

nonetheless a middle proper nation and a rustic that’s actually lurching again 

in opposition to the loopy liberalism that is occurring on this nation proper now led 

by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So it may be separated and it ought to be 


It’s made more durable if we proceed to have dialogue about 2020 and stolen 

elections, which simply makes the American individuals really feel like we’re dwelling in 

the previous and never frightened about their future. And I believe if Donald Trump 

needs to be part of that, that is high-quality, and his selection, nevertheless it’s his 

selection if he needs to maintain speaking in regards to the previous or whether or not we need to 

begin speaking in regards to the future. 

BAIER: In accordance with “The Wall Road Journal,” President Biden has advised his 

allies previously few days that he’s operating for re-election in 2024 

as a result of there’s numerous fears about Republicans gaining power heading 

into the midterms. Do you purchase that? What do you consider that? 

CHRISTIE: No, I do not purchase it within the least. And I simply have a look at his 

efficiency. I — Bret, I believe what everyone in America has seen over the 

final 10 months is he is simply merely lower than the job. And his 

administration is lower than the job. They ran based mostly upon uniting the 

nation, bringing higher competence to the White Home, of their view, and 

they failed miserably on each. 

In reality, they’ve gone far left on all of their insurance policies. He is caved. I imply 

that is like we elected Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren with the 

insurance policies of this administration. And the competency has been terrible as we 

noticed in Afghanistan, as we’re seeing in inflation, as we’re seeing in crime 

on the streets.

And so I do not purchase it. I believe he is saying it as a result of he is aware of that 

Republicans are gathering momentum. However I, fairly frankly, do not know the way 

Joe Biden, operating in 2024, can be in the least intimidating Republicans 

or in the least reassuring to the American individuals. 

BAIER: What’s your response to the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict? 

CHRISTIE: Justice was performed in that, Bret. And — and the jury system works. 

You realize, I — I used to be a prosecutor for seven years, and people costs ought to 

by no means have been introduced. And, you recognize, prosecutors will not be purported to 

give in to the whims of the general public. They are not supposed to offer in — give 

in to public opinion. You are purported to dispassionately have a look at the information 

and the proof and determine whether or not they help costs.

And from the start, I did not assume that these acts supported costs. 

And I am glad to see that the jury sat there, not affected by public 

stress, however sat and hearken to the proof and made the choice that 

they did. 

He was not responsible. He should not have been indicted. And we must always now transfer 

ahead. And I hope that everybody will go away this younger man alone now and 

let him go to dwelling his life. He shouldn’t turn out to be a political image for 

anyone. He is 18 years previous. He ought to be allowed to now go on and dwell his 

life after what has been a very troublesome time for each Kyle 

Rittenhouse and his household. 

BAIER: Sure, however are you stunned by the protection of this all all through 

and the polarized nature of it?

CHRISTIE: Sadly, I wasn’t Bret. I believe these individuals on the left 

are simply making an attempt to proceed to tear our nation aside for political 

achieve. Anyone who seemed on the movies of this might inform that this was an 

act of self-defense. Anybody who is aware of the regulation would know that. But you’ve got 

had authorized of us on the air, and on different networks, and political 

commentators and, fairly frankly, elected officers who spoke so 

irresponsibly and horribly about this younger man with no foundation in truth. 

That is not what we ought to be doing. 

And that is why I am so happy with our justice system as a result of, you recognize what, 

it is not good, Bret, nevertheless it’s the perfect system anybody ever has come up 

with when it comes to making an attempt to find out guilt or innocence in our society. And 

that is why I am so happy with the jury and the jury system as a result of it gave 

Kyle Rittenhouse an opportunity that each one these different speaking heads on tv 

did not give him. That they had him convicted a very long time in the past. 

BAIER: This is the governor-elect of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin Have a look.


GLENN YOUNGKIN (R), VIRGINIA GOVERNOR-ELECT: Kitchen desk points matter. 

And, in truth, the essential problems with decrease taxes and protected communities and 

higher faculties the place we give dad and mom an actual function of their kids’s 

training and, in fact, a rising job market that lifts up all 

Virginians, that resonated with so many Virginians. 


BAIER: What did you’re taking from that election in Virginia, additionally the one which 

occurred in your house state of New Jersey. 

CHRISTIE: Effectively, what it confirmed was that the general public needs to listen to in regards to the 

future, not the previous. They need to hear in regards to the issues that they care 

about, not about any person’s private grievances or gripes. And — and — 

and what we noticed in Virginia particularly was a direct distinction on that.

Glenn Youngkin simply speaking in regards to the points that he simply specified by the 

video, and Terry McAuliffe operating advert after advert after advert about Donald Trump. 

Nobody wished to listen to that in Virginia. What they wished to listen to was, what 

are you going to do to assist my household, make my streets safer, make my 

training higher for my kids, decrease my price of dwelling, and provides me a 

higher place to dwell right here in Virginia. Glenn spoke about that and received. 

Terry McAuliffe spoke in regards to the previous and misplaced. That ought to be a lesson for 

all of us. 

And, fairly frankly, I might written this guide earlier than the Youngkin race was 

accomplished. And so it is precisely what I say within the guide we ought to be doing as 


And in New Jersey, although we got here up simply brief within the governor’s 

race, we added three seats within the state senate, six seats within the decrease 

home, and perhaps much more as a recount goes on. We gained right here in New 


And if we’re successful in blue states like Virginia and New Jersey with that 

message, it ought to inform everyone in our occasion, cease speaking about 

yesterday, begin speaking about tomorrow as a result of successful is all that issues 

right here, Bret. If we do not win, the Democrats proceed to control, they usually 

will proceed to lurch our nation left and provides authorities giveaways that 

we’ll in all probability by no means be capable to take away sooner or later and can change 

this nation perpetually. It is not what I need to see occur and I do not assume 

that is what most individuals on this nation need to see occur.

BAIER: Governor Christie, thanks to your time. All the time good to speak to you. 

CHRISTIE: Bret, nice to speak to you. Have a fantastic Sunday. 

BAIER: Up subsequent, a divided America reacts to the Kyle Rittenhouse not responsible 

verdict. We’ll convey again our panel to debate the fallout from the 

emotionally charged trial. 



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We, the jury, discover the defendant, Kyle H. Rittenhouse, 

not responsible.


the decision, and the decision actually speaks for itself. As a lot of you recognize, 

I’ve spent a majority of my profession working to make the felony justice 

system extra equitable and clearly there’s much more work to do. 


BAIER: Vice President Kamala Harris on the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict and 

what she says it implies about justice in America. 

We’re again with the panel. 

Harold, your ideas on this verdict, the fallout to it and the way the 

administration is speaking about it. 

HAROLD FORD, JR., FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Effectively, I settle for the decision as a result of 

that is what we’re — we’re a nation of legal guidelines. I watched the trial somewhat 

bit. I’ve learn quite a bit about it. And I suppose I am not as involved — or, I 

ought to say, I separate a number of the points round race. 

What I am equally if no more so involved in is a broader dialog 

round self-defense as a result of my studying of this and watching of the trial 

suggests {that a} proactive or an initiated self-defense is allowable. I can 

think about being in a grocery retailer or restaurant and maybe a clerk or a 

supervisor or a server has a grievance with some one that is available in with a 

weapon and I attempt to defend my household and maybe attempt to restrain him, he or 

she shoots me, we go to trial they usually declare it was self-defense. I am unable to 

think about legislatures across the nation contemplated this type of self-

protection. To not say that Mr. Rittenhouse, it might — it might have been 

any completely different. I respect the regulation, and I might agree with Mr. — Governor 

Christie, that it appeared like, on the face of it, the regulation was in his favor. 

Even his lawyer, Mr. Rittenhouse’s lawyer, mentioned the regulation was on his facet. 

Morally, Mr. Rittenhouse wished he did not need to do what he did. 

So I hope as we get previous the politics and handed a number of the heated 

rhetoric that legislatures and native regulation enforcement check out a few of 

these legal guidelines and attempt to perceive and examined higher, is that this what we imply 

once we say self-defense? 

BAIER: You realize, candidate Joe Biden referred, Jason, to Rittenhouse as a 

white nationalist. And there are a number of Republicans who’re pointing again 

to that and his reference to militia and white nationalism. 

Senator Tom Cotton mentioned, if he, President Biden, had any decency, Biden 

would apologize publicly, not attacked the jury for following the regulation.

Ideas on that?

JASON RILEY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sure, I used to be upset with each the 

president and the vice chairman’s response to the decision. They determined to 

editorialize. And that is as a result of, as you simply famous, like numerous different 

individuals, they’d determined earlier than the case even started that Rittenhouse was 

responsible. They’ve each proper to talk out, Bret, however I — I simply do not 

assume it is useful for them to try this. I believe their job is to say, we’re 

a nation of legal guidelines, and the jury’s verdict must be revered, full cease.

However, on the similar time, you could have a Democratic Get together that’s — performs this 

identification politics card and they also racialized this stuff, and that is what 

you noticed the president and the vice chairman do. And I simply do not assume we 

want extra of that. 

BAIER: This is Jen Psaki answering a query about these earlier feedback 

by Joe Biden.


JEN PSAKI, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president’s view that we 

should not have, broadly talking, vigilantes patrolling our communities 

with assault weapons. We should not have opportunists corrupting peaceable 

protests by rioting and burning down the communities they declare to 

characterize, wherever within the nation. 


BAIER: Susan. 

SUSAN PAGE, “USA TODAY”: Effectively, you recognize, you talked in regards to the division in 

the nation over the Rittenhouse verdict, and there was some, however there 

had been additionally authorized students who mentioned it wasn’t a shock. 

A much bigger concern, I believe, is the decision we will be awaiting quickly in 

the Ahmaud Arbery trial in Georgia in his — in his demise, going to closing 

arguments on Monday, tomorrow, as a result of that one entails a much less strong case 

of self-defense, and it has a transparent linkage to race on this nation. These 

massive points in our nation, race, weapons, the boundaries of self-defense. And that 

is a verdict, I believe, that we will be waiting for and we’ll get a 

a lot greater response, I believe, than the Rittenhouse verdict did, Bret. 

BAIER: Sure.

Harold, we have been overlaying that trial, taking a few of it, nevertheless it general, 

throughout the media panorama, has not obtained as a lot consideration because the 

Rittenhouse trial did. 

FORD: With out query. I might agree with Susan. That case, I’ve watched a 

little little bit of it, and it looks like the prosecutorial group appears to be 

making extra progress with advancing their thesis and their idea of the 


However, you recognize, as we take into consideration all of this, once more, we — I do not 

racialize this in any respect. In the event that they — it does not matter what shade somebody is, 

should you’re killed, your killed. If Covid kills anyone, a gun, a bullet 

in all probability would kill me otherwise you or anyone on this panel. 

The query turns into additionally, and I believe Reverend Jackson elevating in a approach 

that I believe is affected, will we — are we inviting individuals to point out up at 

protests, which they could have a disagreement with, put apart your race or 

political occasion, and be capable to present up with the weapon. And if somebody in 

that crowd protesting yells or advances in the direction of you, are you allowed to 

shoot and kill them? I do not assume so. 

However I believe we’ve to, as a nation, and maybe legislators, must assume 

— take into consideration this in a severe approach as a result of this is not a racial concern, 

it is a life and demise concern, and, frankly, a First Modification concern as 


BAIER: All proper, thanks, panel. We’ll see you subsequent Sunday. 

Up subsequent, our “Energy Participant of the Week.” A D.C. landmark on surviving the 

pandemic and its particular place in Washington historical past. 


BAIER: As extra People get vaccinated, many people are heading again to our 

favourite eating places. As we first advised you final spring, in D.C., that 

features a native landmark that has performed an enormous function within the nation’s 

capital for greater than 60 years. 

This is our “Energy Participant of the Week.”


VIRGINIA ALI, OWNER, BEN’S CHILI BOWL: Effectively, we have confronted many, many 

challenges. The pandemic has been really probably the most difficult.

Welcome to Ben’s. How are you?

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR (voice over): Virginia Ali is the proprietor of 

Ben’s Chili Bowl, a Washington establishment that, like a lot, was 

threatened by the pandemic. 

WALLACE (on digicam): How onerous did it hit your enterprise? 

ALI: Oh, wow. I imply, we had been open, Chris, from 7:00 within the morning till 

2:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m. on weekends. That got here to an entire halt. 

WALLACE (voice over): In some way, Ben’s made it work, doubling down on carry 

out and even starring in a Google business. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Folks come right here to see the photographs on the wall, to satisfy 

the household.

WALLACE: To grasp the fuss about Ben’s, it’s good to know its historical past. 

Ben and Virginia Ali had been newlyweds once they opened the place in 1958. 

People got here for the half smoke, a scorching pork and beef sausage served with 

Ben’s signature chili on prime. 

ALI: He had this very particular, spicy chili recipe. You realize, he got here from 

Trinidad, the place spicy meals was the factor.

WALLACE: They had been on U Road, recognized within the ’50s because the black Broadway. 

ALI: All of the golf equipment closed at 2:00 a.m. So, from 2:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m., you 

might barely get into the Chili Bowl on a Friday and Saturday night time. 

There was Duke Ellington. There was Pearl Bailey. Uh, Nat King Cole, 


WALLACE (on digicam): That will need to have been some seen. What was that? 

ALI: It was only a joyful time. I imply, the music was happening the jukebox, 

and we’ve these musicians coming in. We’re simply glad to see them. 

WALLACE (voice over): Within the ’60s, the civil rights motion took over, however 

Ben’s was nonetheless a gathering place.

ALI: Every time Dr. King was on the town, every now and then he would come right down to the 

Chili Bowl, have a sandwich and I might have a possibility to take a seat with him and 

hearken to him discuss his dream.

WALLACE: However in 1968, King was assassinated. A lot of U Road was burned 

down or boarded up. 

ALI: Ben’s Chili Bowl was the one place that was allowed to stay open. 

That was scary. However we weren’t touched.

WALLACE: Within the a long time since, Ben’s has remained a landmark, a vital 

cease for African-American entertainers and politicians. 

Which brings us again to the meals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It’ so good, guys. 

WALLACE (on digicam): Are you able to inform me what the key is to the key chili 


ALI: Effectively, that’ our particular chili sauce. That is our particular recipe. We 

have not on condition that out but, however you will be the primary to get it, Chris. When 

we do, you will be the primary to get that recipe.

WALLACE (voice over): With D.C.’s Covid restrictions lastly lifted, 

clients are coming again to Ben’s, they usually can nonetheless discover Virginia Ali at 

the grill.

ALI: I like to show them one after the other.

WALLACE: Cooking up these half smokes. 

WALLACE (on digicam): Why are you continue to working? 

ALI: I do not know that I name it work. Whenever you do one thing that you just 

get pleasure from, it is not so onerous.

And you have been coming for 25 years. 


ALI: That is fairly cool.

Assembly individuals, Chris, from all walks of life simply at Ben’s Chili Bowl. I 

simply have time daily. 


BAIER: Effectively, if you wish to take a look at that secret chili sauce, Virginia 

says there are plans to begin bottling it and placing it on the shelf in 

your grocery retailer. It is great things. 

That is it for at the moment. I will see you tomorrow for “SPECIAL REPORT” 6:00 p.m. 

Japanese Time on Fox Information Channel. We’ll be keeping track of the closing 

arguments within the Ahmaud Arbery trial. Additionally, a potential Fed chair 

announcement. You heard it right here.

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